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Period Poverty

cavalier080854
cavalier080854
A female MP stood up in Parliament and announced she was having a period and had spent £25 already for that period ! Activists say women spend up to £500 per year ! This is part of a campaign to highlight women who cannot afford period products and miss school because of it. There is an advert where girls saying they miss out on projects and lessons and will blight their future prospects.
Well let us look at this claim. A brief look at the cost of tampons reveals they cost £5 for 32, special deals further reduce the cost. So this MP has used 160 tampons for that period and 3200 for the year !
What are they, gold plated. I know other products are used for hygiene, but £500 per year ?
I am aware this is just part of the pink tax protest,  but is this over exagerated ?
Let the women take over,  and yes, there are products other than tampons.
candybuddhist

Comments

  • cavalier080854
    cavalier080854
    Posts: 2,175 edited July 2
    I am aware, that having a penis makes me unqualified to talk about this. But I do not care. If sanitary products are to be provided either subsidised or free, then someone has to pay for it, including me. So yes, I can and will talk about it.
  • Gloomy
    Gloomy
    Posts: 262
    I wonder if she has some problem where she bleeds more than most women. In my experience they don’t cost very much. Sure I wouldn’t have to spend a few bucks on that stuff if I were a man, but life isn’t fair.
    cavalier080854
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    I have no objection to the tax being lifted on sanitary products. I am baffled that it still exists.The funny thing is that it ISNT what most people think charged at 20%. It's only at 5%, and the reason it's there is down to the EU, not uk.gov . 

    One can buy in bulk from ebay 84 applicated tampons for £15 HERE .

    What are these "activists" trying to say? That tampons should be "free". By "Free" they mean that EVERYONE has to pay for them. 

    Those on benefits or low incomes I don't think have much to complain about as it is more expensive for men to shave every month than the cost of tampons, and while I know first hand that benefits are almost impossible to live on, I don't see a difference between genders. 

    According to my women friends, they spend about £10 a month on sanitary products. 

    Next thing we will be told that toilet roll should be free cos women use more of it than men.


  • Impish
    Impish
    Posts: 49
    I mean. Tampons and pads aren't the only cost to a menstrual cycle. You have those (sometimes both!), plus medication sometimes (midol or advil or both), plus the cost of extra detergent during your cycle if you bleed through your pants/onto your bed sheets (which happens quite often, especially if you bleed heavily). And that's considering someone is relatively healthy without complicating conditions such as fibroids, endometriosis, PCOS, cysts, etc. which can make you miss work sometimes, and have extra health costs attached. 

    I don't agree that products should be free, that's silly. But they shouldn't be taxed as "luxury" items, either. They're not luxury items. They're items necessary to function on a level of social acceptance one week during every month from the ages of 12 to 50 (roughly). 
    candybuddhist
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    In the UK they aren't classed as such, 'luxury items'.They have the smallest amount of tax Its the same price electricity, gas, and heating oil, mobile aids for the elderly, energy saving items, (yeah I went to look). 
  • Toffington
    Toffington
    Posts: 742
    Thats a luxury cost. You can drop 5 dollars on enough pads to last several months. She's probably adding in pain killers and new undies because she might not be able to tell the signs just before (cramping, libido, smells). This coming from someone who bleeds a lot. Tis simply luxury cost, not basic needs. Not all women need pain meds either.

    Ibuprophen, advil, and asprin are also needed by men to put up with constant raging bitches screaming about feminism. Anyone gonna remove the tax on that?

    So its more like 25$ a year in basic needs. 
    cavalier080854
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    Why do you bleed a lot? You keep cutting yourself ?
    candybuddhist
  • Toffington
    Toffington
    Posts: 742
    LordGrep said:
    Why do you bleed a lot? You keep cutting yourself ?
    I get constant nose bleeds, so I use tampons and shove them up my nose. Looks silly but it works miracles.
    candybuddhist
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    Yeah they are good for that.. Just keep your iron intake up lad.
  • Impish
    Impish
    Posts: 49
    Thats a luxury cost. You can drop 5 dollars on enough pads to last several months. She's probably adding in pain killers and new undies because she might not be able to tell the signs just before (cramping, libido, smells). This coming from someone who bleeds a lot. Tis simply luxury cost, not basic needs. Not all women need pain meds either.

    Ibuprophen, advil, and asprin are also needed by men to put up with constant raging bitches screaming about feminism. Anyone gonna remove the tax on that?

    So its more like 25$ a year in basic needs. 
    Wherever you can buy enough pads to last a month for $5, lemme know. Some women can go through up to 7 per day. Bleeding for 6 to 7 days, that's 42-49. Most boxes come with ~24. You'll need at least 2 boxes to get through a month (some will be left over). Add to that, a lot of women don't wear pads. Tampons are much more expensive. Add to THAT, a lot of women wear both (because they have a need). 

    Also, $25/year with your math means a woman menstruates 5 months out of the year. There are 7 unaccounted for. 

    ALSO you don't bleed through your underwear/pants JUST when you don't notice when you're starting your period. You could unexpectedly bleed heavily one day and bleed through your tampon/pad/both. 

    Still in favor of not taxing tampons/pads. Midol etc. are used for various other purposes so tax them, IDC. 
  • Toffington
    Toffington
    Posts: 742
    Impish said:
    Thats a luxury cost. You can drop 5 dollars on enough pads to last several months. She's probably adding in pain killers and new undies because she might not be able to tell the signs just before (cramping, libido, smells). This coming from someone who bleeds a lot. Tis simply luxury cost, not basic needs. Not all women need pain meds either.

    Ibuprophen, advil, and asprin are also needed by men to put up with constant raging bitches screaming about feminism. Anyone gonna remove the tax on that?

    So its more like 25$ a year in basic needs. 
    Wherever you can buy enough pads to last a month for $5, lemme know. Some women can go through up to 7 per day. Bleeding for 6 to 7 days, that's 42-49. Most boxes come with ~24. You'll need at least 2 boxes to get through a month (some will be left over). Add to that, a lot of women don't wear pads. Tampons are much more expensive. Add to THAT, a lot of women wear both (because they have a need). 

    Also, $25/year with your math means a woman menstruates 5 months out of the year. There are 7 unaccounted for. 

    ALSO you don't bleed through your underwear/pants JUST when you don't notice when you're starting your period. You could unexpectedly bleed heavily one day and bleed through your tampon/pad/both. 

    Still in favor of not taxing tampons/pads. Midol etc. are used for various other purposes so tax them, IDC. 
    I am going based on my own experiences, I go through a cycle for at least 3-7 days a week. I buy a pack and it usually has 36. I wear maybe one or two a day. that lasts me a couple of months. I guess it depends on a woman's ability to judge cycle length and flow. If you only wear about 2 to 4 pads a month. You are still really spending about 15$ a year. I guess it depends on living area. I have never had issue affording anything. 

    I do not wear double the protection, I don't understand if people fear their flow or not, I find it kind of silly and plan always ahead of schedual. First day is never a problem with me, it is the 2nd and 3rd day. The other days is spot protection. I think the times people say you are suppose to wear things are bunk. 

    Growing up poor, I know how to utilize things to their fullest. 
  • Impish
    Impish
    Posts: 49
    Impish said:
    Thats a luxury cost. You can drop 5 dollars on enough pads to last several months. She's probably adding in pain killers and new undies because she might not be able to tell the signs just before (cramping, libido, smells). This coming from someone who bleeds a lot. Tis simply luxury cost, not basic needs. Not all women need pain meds either.

    Ibuprophen, advil, and asprin are also needed by men to put up with constant raging bitches screaming about feminism. Anyone gonna remove the tax on that?

    So its more like 25$ a year in basic needs. 
    Wherever you can buy enough pads to last a month for $5, lemme know. Some women can go through up to 7 per day. Bleeding for 6 to 7 days, that's 42-49. Most boxes come with ~24. You'll need at least 2 boxes to get through a month (some will be left over). Add to that, a lot of women don't wear pads. Tampons are much more expensive. Add to THAT, a lot of women wear both (because they have a need). 

    Also, $25/year with your math means a woman menstruates 5 months out of the year. There are 7 unaccounted for. 

    ALSO you don't bleed through your underwear/pants JUST when you don't notice when you're starting your period. You could unexpectedly bleed heavily one day and bleed through your tampon/pad/both. 

    Still in favor of not taxing tampons/pads. Midol etc. are used for various other purposes so tax them, IDC. 
    I am going based on my own experiences, I go through a cycle for at least 3-7 days a week. I buy a pack and it usually has 36. I wear maybe one or two a day. that lasts me a couple of months. I guess it depends on a woman's ability to judge cycle length and flow. If you only wear about 2 to 4 pads a month. You are still really spending about 15$ a year. I guess it depends on living area. I have never had issue affording anything. 

    I do not wear double the protection, I don't understand if people fear their flow or not, I find it kind of silly and plan always ahead of schedual. First day is never a problem with me, it is the 2nd and 3rd day. The other days is spot protection. I think the times people say you are suppose to wear things are bunk. 

    Growing up poor, I know how to utilize things to their fullest. 
    You're very lucky to not have any complications to your cycle to be able to judge it so precisely. I can have anywhere between a 20 day and 32 day cycle. I bleed for 2 days, heavily - changing tampons/pads (both) at least 5 to 6 times per day. Sometimes that's the end. Sometimes, I'll begin bleeding again two or three days later. When that happens, it can be spotting or it can be a "normal" flow or it can be a tidal wave of blood and blood clots. No telling. I'm asymptomatic otherwise. That second wave of bleeding can last anywhere from an additional 3 days to 6 days. Sometimes, it'll start as spotting and I'll wake up the next morning with a pool of blood between my legs. Sometimes, it'll fluctuate between the three flows almost hourly it seems. I've been like this since I was 11 years old. There's no rhyme or reason. There's no medical condition that can be treated. It's simply how my body works. 
  • Toffington
    Toffington
    Posts: 742
    Impish said:
    Impish said:
    Thats a luxury cost. You can drop 5 dollars on enough pads to last several months. She's probably adding in pain killers and new undies because she might not be able to tell the signs just before (cramping, libido, smells). This coming from someone who bleeds a lot. Tis simply luxury cost, not basic needs. Not all women need pain meds either.

    Ibuprophen, advil, and asprin are also needed by men to put up with constant raging bitches screaming about feminism. Anyone gonna remove the tax on that?

    So its more like 25$ a year in basic needs. 
    Wherever you can buy enough pads to last a month for $5, lemme know. Some women can go through up to 7 per day. Bleeding for 6 to 7 days, that's 42-49. Most boxes come with ~24. You'll need at least 2 boxes to get through a month (some will be left over). Add to that, a lot of women don't wear pads. Tampons are much more expensive. Add to THAT, a lot of women wear both (because they have a need). 

    Also, $25/year with your math means a woman menstruates 5 months out of the year. There are 7 unaccounted for. 

    ALSO you don't bleed through your underwear/pants JUST when you don't notice when you're starting your period. You could unexpectedly bleed heavily one day and bleed through your tampon/pad/both. 

    Still in favor of not taxing tampons/pads. Midol etc. are used for various other purposes so tax them, IDC. 
    I am going based on my own experiences, I go through a cycle for at least 3-7 days a week. I buy a pack and it usually has 36. I wear maybe one or two a day. that lasts me a couple of months. I guess it depends on a woman's ability to judge cycle length and flow. If you only wear about 2 to 4 pads a month. You are still really spending about 15$ a year. I guess it depends on living area. I have never had issue affording anything. 

    I do not wear double the protection, I don't understand if people fear their flow or not, I find it kind of silly and plan always ahead of schedual. First day is never a problem with me, it is the 2nd and 3rd day. The other days is spot protection. I think the times people say you are suppose to wear things are bunk. 

    Growing up poor, I know how to utilize things to their fullest. 
    You're very lucky to not have any complications to your cycle to be able to judge it so precisely. I can have anywhere between a 20 day and 32 day cycle. I bleed for 2 days, heavily - changing tampons/pads (both) at least 5 to 6 times per day. Sometimes that's the end. Sometimes, I'll begin bleeding again two or three days later. When that happens, it can be spotting or it can be a "normal" flow or it can be a tidal wave of blood and blood clots. No telling. I'm asymptomatic otherwise. That second wave of bleeding can last anywhere from an additional 3 days to 6 days. Sometimes, it'll start as spotting and I'll wake up the next morning with a pool of blood between my legs. Sometimes, it'll fluctuate between the three flows almost hourly it seems. I've been like this since I was 11 years old. There's no rhyme or reason. There's no medical condition that can be treated. It's simply how my body works. 
    That doesn't sound normal at all, clearly you have a abnormal hormonal cycle and or genetic condition. Have you been tested for PCOS? 

    On average, most women experience a cycle of 3-7 days. A whole month cycle isn't normal. Hormones have to be at play here, and even if they are not. This is abnormal, and not something we should gauge all standards by. 
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    I know this is going to sound a bit odd but as I have had reasonably long term relationships with over 8 women, and a lot of others, I think I actually have a better gauge on "average" or "normal". 

    I have never been in a relationship with someone who's periods were not about every month, and that lasted about 5 days. If one has periods lasting a month, I'd get help.
    cavalier080854
  • deltaX
    deltaX
    Posts: 135
    I don't think pads and tampons should be taxed as luxury goods, because for half the population they're a basic necessity.  Things like shaving for men is optional, but everyone with female anatomy needs pads or tampons to go about their daily lives.  I don't think they should be universally free either though, just like I don't think grocery stores should give all their food anyway for free even though we all need food to survive.  If it were up to me, I'd remove luxury taxes on tampons, and encourage them to be made available in places like food banks / charities for those who need them.

    The numbers in the OP seem really high to me though.  500 pounds is over 650 US dollars, and I don't spend nearly that much on my period.  A pack of pads usually costs me about $10-$15 depending on the brand, and lasts a month or two depending on how heavy my flow is.  Even if I rounded the cost up to $20 and bought a pack every single month, I'd only be spending $480 dollars.  Maybe if you add in the cost of Tylenol for cramps you'd get close to $500.  Which is a lot, but not $650.  Unless you have PCOS / endometriosis / etc to make your periods require extra care, $650 seems too high.  Is my period just unusually short or am I missing something?  
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    If you have a need for huge numbers of pads etc cos there is something wrong with you, then sure, they should be available on prescription.

    I don't think the tax is fair though. 

    I also think that most men don't see grooming as a luxury or a choice. I mean one could say that deodorants are a choice, and so is taking a shower. They are needed though if you want to keep a job.
  • candybuddhist
    candybuddhist
    Posts: 82
    This is part of a campaign to highlight women who cannot afford period products and miss school because of it. There is an advert where girls saying they miss out on projects and lessons and will blight their future prospects.

    - looks like a joke. 

    is that really something needed to be discussed?! lol. they just did not allocate money. 
    cavalier080854
  • Trailblazer
    Trailblazer
    Posts: 11
    no doubt it's the men that run these sanitary product companies that are making a mint. wonder how many women are at the top of those companies.
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