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I'm Pissed With Aven!

princessem1020
princessem1020
edited June 28 in Society and Politics
No shock, I got bullcrap for my post on only two genders and four sexual orientations. I got messages from admins saying not to discuss that because it is political, even though it’s on their science and politics thread, and that it wasn’t inclusive, even though I’ve seen people claim to be anti-lgbt+ in threads there too. They blocked my thread and threatened to do more if I say anything else I believe that isn’t correct according to some. Thier cleary biased SJWs! Great, now I’m too conservative for liberals just like I’m too liberal for conservatives! Oh, so sorry I am a person who bases facts of basic biology and science. At least there is proof and evidence for the existence and validation of straight, gay, bi, ace, cis, and binary trans human beings. Say what you want, but it’s reasonable and does not automatically make me a hater as long as I’m not mean-spirited or harmfully threatening about it. This is also on my Tumblr.

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  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    Really... MANY of us feel exactly the same way.... @Toffington I think has the AVEN record for number of bans on AVEN, and many of them are for the very subject. I started a "RE" that post here actually today...  its here:

    http://www.as-ns.net/villa/discussion/1528/polygenderism#latest

    We can't change AVEN and it's insistence that just discussing something is a form of oppression, it's one of the reasons this place exists. 

    I think I speak for everyone here when I say that none of us are anti trans, or lqbt etc. Unfortunately the SJW crowd is strong on AVEN, and that is just the way it is. 
  • dea
    dea
    Posts: 13
    Hi there. I'm an Admod on Aven and you weren't told the post would be hidden and you couldn't discuss it because it was political (it wasn't political). You were told that your post was judgmental of other people who identify outside of your own personal scope, and that judgments of other users based on gender and romantic orientation is against the Terms of Service. Because it broke Terms of Service in that way, that's why it was hidden and you were asked to not make similar posts on AVEN. While Admods may or may not agree with your views, we respect your right to hold your opinions. However, as a privately owned website, we can limit which opinions are shared on that platform.

    I'm sorry you're upset with the decision that was made. If you'd like to reach out and talk about it more, I'm always available.
    LordGrepdeltaX
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    I really don't think they came here to argue about the ToS... 
    User-43756e74
  • dea
    dea
    Posts: 13
    LordGrep said:
    I really don't think they came here to argue about the ToS... 
    I'm not arguing about it, I just wanted to clarify because it's my job to try and help someone who is not understanding to better understand. If it didn't work or they still don't understand, then I apologize but I'm still available if they have questions.
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    Ok.. Respectfully as much as many of the AVEN crew have issues with us shitting on AVEN I REALLY have an issue with AVEN mods doing their business in public on here... 

    I am trying to say this as delicately as possible, but the AVEN language, is about as friendly as a court summons... I know you're not arguing about it... You're an AVEN mod. There is no argument. the ToS is the ToS.. But I know how I felt being told "YOU ARE AGAINST THE ToS"... Cos as much as you say "the post etc" believe me it really feels like "YOU"... 

    Honestly it's not nice to be on the receiving end of.. 

    I will use SJW lingo... Being told that your views are not welcome is an "aggression". People cannot help how they feel about a subject, and some people, me included get sad when the authority site on asexuality says that "Your vies are incompatible with the rest of the asexual community".  I know those are not the exact words... But it VERY much is how it feels. 

    AVEN moderation has a formality and a mindset that seems all very friendly when your opinions align with that of the AVEN moderators, but when they don't it feels impersonal, abrupt, unfair, and like there isn't anyone to turn to to help. 

    The explanations given are like they have been prepared by a legal team. 

    I am sooo trying to put this across in a way that doesn't piss you off, and make you bugger off.. Cos that isn't what I want at all.. 

    Maybe I am just an oversensitive old fool.. I just... Do you get what I am trying to say? 
    Impish
  • User-43756e74
    User-43756e74
    Posts: 77
    As much as i’m not a big fan of Dea she doesn’t say unreasonable things here as far as i can read.

    This two gender thing is such a difficult subject to argue on AVEN most of the times. I’m nonbinary and i feel everyone has the right for their opinions as long as they stay respectful when discussing it with eachother, not that that’s always the case when such discussions happen.

    I remember venting alot about it in Gender Discussion  :(
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    I am fine with people saying they are non binary. I won't say you are wrong. I will even call you they.. It took me about a year to learn to "they"... I have a hard enough time with my dyslexia as it is.. Yes I am not a "cant spell very well so I say dyslexic, I mean I find it hard to fucking read, and I just cannot spell.. I have to spell check everything, and google about three words every paragraph. But thanks to computers I seem ok.. But having to think of who I am talking to, and then which of x number of pronoun words to use... It's not that I am unwilling to do it at a push.. I am SURE it's too much. I think I would just not refer or talk to someone rather than have to try and fumble my way round "zee" I don't even understand what it means... it's like asking me to use a Chinese symbol or something. 

    Also after the shit show of a childhood I had, if I had to give myself one piece of advice that my younger self would listen to it would genuinely be "Just fit in, being different is just not worth the fucking effort", you loose so much socially by trying tom get a society to accept you than you would just doing what society asks, at least on the outside..  Sure be different if you want, but don't ever try and have the arrogance to think that society owes you a pass. 

    I hope you know what I mean.. I am not aiming that at anyone.. I just want to express that feeling of fucking loneliness. People who are actively going along with the non-binary way of thinking must feel absolutely torn apart. I just find the idea of telling a child "You be as different as you want, the world should accept you" is a form of child cruelty, because society never will, maybe some, but not a majority... 

    Jees... I am worried about pressing send but I feel like this is the most true thing I have said in a very long time. 

    <gulp>.
    User-43756e74
  • Toffington
    Toffington
    Posts: 742
    Is @dea who I think she is?
  • Toffington
    Toffington
    Posts: 742
    Mods aint the issue, its the ToS and the overreach of it to shut down anything that questions identity politics under the clause of invalidation. 

    Aka everything is real if you believe it is, and no one can tell you otherwise.
    User-43756e74	LordGrep
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    Is @dea who I think she is?
    I don't know is @dea who you think she is?
  • User-43756e74
    User-43756e74
    Posts: 77
    @Toffington   @LordGrep

    Both of you have fair points...but I just feel that..whenever people disagree it usually ends up in pure overreaction from both sides. It’s more difficult for me to watch then when someone accidently calls me ma’am.I don’t need anyone to confirm who i am and I’ve never acted like anyone owed me a pass.My self esteem doesn’t depend on what society says about me.

    I just simply don’t care enough to get offended if society doesn’t accept me the way i am....but on the other hand: look at how many times people attack eachother on a forum that is supposed to be for asexuals who’s goal is to be accepted by the LGBT community, it’s like they have all forgotten why they are on AVEN. Kinda strange for them to fight for acceptance while they behave like an elephant in a glass room. 

    Toffington: I assume dea is lia on AVEN


  • Toffington
    Toffington
    Posts: 742
    LordGrep said:
    Is @dea who I think she is?
    I don't know is @dea who you think she is?
    You can easily figure it out if you try. :p
  • Toffington
    Toffington
    Posts: 742
    Bryan said:
    @Toffington   @LordGrep

    Both of you have fair points...but I just feel that..whenever people disagree it usually ends up in pure overreaction from both sides. It’s more difficult for me to watch then when someone accidently calls me ma’am.I don’t need anyone to confirm who i am and I’ve never acted like anyone owed me a pass.My self esteem doesn’t depend on what society says about me.

    I just simply don’t care enough to get offended if society doesn’t accept me the way i am....but on the other hand: look at how many times people attack eachother on a forum that is supposed to be for asexuals who’s goal is to be accepted by the LGBT community, it’s like they have all forgotten why they are on AVEN. Kinda strange for them to fight for acceptance while they behave like an elephant in a glass room. 

    Toffington: I assume dea is lia on AVEN


    It is great you think like this, but most people rely on identity politics to fit in and it consumes them. They have zero agency, and its why people with agency find them shallow and pedantic. Which is why confronting them about their reliance /identity politics becomes a personal attack. It is all the are. It has consumed them, and their character. 

    Truly and utterly a mind virus akin to zombification. Whose goal is to spread and devour anything against them.
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    I'll second the @Toffington ... ITs so sad that it just pushes people away for just asking "why"...

    With AVEN the "Listen and believe" is strong!!!

    Please god never put me in a meeting with a group of people with money, and advertising from the LGBT asking "We like your site" "we'd like to help"... 

    Please god someone hack my account, and kick me out. 
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    princessem1020 come back... All is well... No more nasty AVEN modding.. Fuck... A new playmate... <sulks>
  • cavalier080854
    cavalier080854
    Posts: 2,175
    To all out there.
    Facts are not opinions, and opinions are not facts.
    There are only 2 sexes and only 4 sexual orientations.
    Gender=/=Sex
    Stop confusing the two 
    Gender is subjective, Sex is objective.
  • dea
    dea
    Posts: 13
    Is @dea who I think she is?
    Fully depends.
  • Toffington
    Toffington
    Posts: 742
    dea said:
    Is @dea who I think she is?
    Fully depends.
    Well, the Avatar kinda gives it away :P
    dea
  • Reptillian
    Reptillian
    Posts: 181
    dea said:
    Is @dea who I think she is?
    Fully depends.
    Do you remember me by any chance?
  • dea
    dea
    Posts: 13
    dea said:
    Is @dea who I think she is?
    Fully depends.
    Do you remember me by any chance?
    Remember your name, but no history etc.
  • Reptillian
    Reptillian
    Posts: 181 edited June 29
    dea said:
    dea said:
    Is @dea who I think she is?
    Fully depends.
    Do you remember me by any chance?
    Remember your name, but no history etc.
    I'm surprised because I have been there for a long, long time. It probably past 3 months since I left of my own will. My e-mail, and username has been changed of my own will there so I cannot go back.
  • dea
    dea
    Posts: 13
    dea said:
    dea said:
    Is @dea who I think she is?
    Fully depends.
    Do you remember me by any chance?
    Remember your name, but no history etc.
    I'm surprised because I have been there for a long, long time. It probably past 3 months since I left of my own will. My e-mail, and username has been changed of my own will there so I cannot go back.
    I'm sorry you wouldn't want to come back but I hope that you find somewhere you like or feel you fit in better.
    cavalier080854
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