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LGBT Pride Events

cavalier080854
cavalier080854
Having returned from a local event, I'm even more convinced that these events do not represent the community.
It turned into a political event prior to what people want to see and participate in, namely fun and festivities.
The miners cashed in on it and attacked the Tory government of 1984/85 saying the miners and LGBT worked together (I have found no one in the mining communities who substantiated this).
The LGBT activist ranted about events and oppression so long in the past, almost no one was alive to witness this (I was probably the only one who could, I was probably at least 30 years older than the oldest person there). The issue of abortion was raised ! (Abortion Act was passed in 1968). Yet more political rants about events 40/50 years in the past, and the Windrush episode thrown into the mix.
All this I found unhelpfull and ultimatly pointless. They are bringing up the past which no longer is helpful and indeed self defeating.
Instead of bring up the past injustices and battles which have been won as if they are being withdrawn. They should be concentrating on the present, those that dwell in the past will become bitter even though they have never lived it. The victimhood narrative lives on ever increasing. Those that live in the past cannot move forward.
The difference between now and 1982 (the last time I attended on my own) in the real world is unbelievably different, but listening to the speakers you would think things were worse. 
All in all, it was the most depressing, frustrating and negative experience. So much so that I packed up and left, just before the entertainment started.
The speakers had left a bad taste in my mouth.
So I will never ever attend another, serves me right for not going with my instincts from 1982.
Do any of us think the LGBT events are not for the Asexuals, especially the older members. God, it made me feel very old, and walking on eggshells with words (I put my foot in it twice). Language was definately a weapon.

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  • VibrantGlue
    VibrantGlue
    Posts: 71 edited May 28
    I've seen posters / booths on socialism at my city's parade. Last year we even had Black Lives Matter protesters after the parade. Someone told me black people felt uncomfortable attending the parade since there would be undercover cops and they feared for their safety (I'm not joking). I did walk with my ace group; that's what I wanted to represent. But part of me wants to troll by wearing a shirt that says 'Socialism sucks' or by wearing a "Don't tread on me" pin. I'm happy that I just found out that another person in my ace group is a libertarian, though I haven't spoken to this person directly about it.

    One year there was an older ace who walked in the parade by himself and had a sign about asexuality. I don't know specifics about what the sign said, but he was disparaged because it was supposedly transphobic. I only met him once, seemed like a nice guy, but I feel bad if he feels like he's feeling left out of the ace community for similar reasons as yours.
    cavalier080854
  • cavalier080854
    cavalier080854
    Posts: 2,175
    I had a long sleeved shirt on with a power fist in Ace colours and the words "Refuse to be Invisible". So pretty much visible as well as a large Asexual and another large Aromantic flag on 2 telescopic poles.
    I did hand out Ace pin badges to the other 2 Aces for free (they were about a quarter of my age).
    And yes I did stand out, everyone was at the most half my age. Probably the only ones older where the fireman and police, but then again not.
    Keep politics out of the bedroom, it is supposed to be a celebration, not a place to rant about past wrongs.
    Some of the signs were stupid "Genitals are Genderless"
    Really. Only if you are Pansexual. This Trans push is getting on my nerves. And I have 3 as friends, even they are getting annoyed, but only with the activists. Using the Trans community as a political weapon is cynical ploy and could backfire, which is what worries my friends.
    VibrantGlue
  • deltaX
    deltaX
    Posts: 135
    There's a pride parade in my city coming up, and I'm still on the fence on whether or not to go.  On one hand, some people I know are marching for asexuality, and I think it'd be cool to support them.  But on the other, I'm not a big fan of crowds and pride doesn't really seem like it would be my type of thing. :/
  • cavalier080854
    cavalier080854
    Posts: 2,175
    deltaX said:
    There's a pride parade in my city coming up, and I'm still on the fence on whether or not to go.  On one hand, some people I know are marching for asexuality, and I think it'd be cool to support them.  But on the other, I'm not a big fan of crowds and pride doesn't really seem like it would be my type of thing. :/
    Wait, they are going to be there for Aces ! Why are you going to support them ? More like join them, unless they are not Ace, in which case they are there to support you.
    Yes, crowds are not usually for Aces, we tend to be solitary, or prefer small groups, keeping apart from others.
    Sometimes we are seen as aloof, even above the rest, even seen as superior, or have no worries because no one oppresses us (this attitude annoys me, does anyone know what oppression is). 
    Take a walk on the wild side of the 80s and the fights with me, my friends and the gays against the straights in pub car parks on Saturday nights. That is persecution. It only stopped when I figured out that it was a no win scenario, they didn't care that the fights were because of homophobia, but wanted a fight just for a fights sake. So I got everyone to not go and fight. Simples.
  • deltaX
    deltaX
    Posts: 135
    A local ace awareness group is actually marching for asexuality in my city.  I don't particularly want to march with them myself, because I don't feel completely comfortable that kind of very public involvement, but I do think it's really cool that asexuality is being represented.  If I go, I will be cheering them on from the sidelines and helping take photos of the event.
  • deltaX
    deltaX
    Posts: 135
    A local ace awareness group is actually marching for asexuality in my city.  I don't particularly want to march with them myself, because I don't feel completely comfortable that kind of very public involvement, but I do think it's really cool that asexuality is being represented.  If I go, I will be cheering them on from the sidelines and helping take photos of the event.
    candybuddhist
  • candybuddhist
    candybuddhist
    Posts: 82
    there will be a  lgbt pride march in the philippines. unfortunately, asexuality is not really known :(  
  • cavalier080854
    cavalier080854
    Posts: 2,175
    there will be a  lgbt pride march in the philippines. unfortunately, asexuality is not really known :(  
    Then make it known. Go as a flaming ace, flags and badges.
    candybuddhistRuru
  • VibrantGlue
    VibrantGlue
    Posts: 71
    @cavalier080854 and others who have marched in Pride, what has been some of the reactions you received? Positive, negative, simply confusion?]

    Last year we had a couple people directly come up to our group after the parade and thank us for representing asexuality since we are nearly invisible. I was nervous walking, but a few groups of people were cheering us on on the sidelines. This is why I walk. I haven't had any negative reactions, maybe just some confusion of what asexuality is.
  • cavalier080854
    cavalier080854
    Posts: 2,175 edited June 7
    @VibrantGlue Some were asking what the Aromantic flag was. But the Asexuality flag was known. People were more interested in seeing different flags such as Agender,  at least the Pride was concerned. But some people did take my picture of what a flaming ace looks like.
    But the youthfulness was the overwhelming thing, where was anybody over 25. People were surprised what the LGBT scene was like in the past, Aces ignored, being Aro would exclude you, Trans women were regarded as men by the lesbians in the 70s. Yes, the LGBT has got a lot of skeletons in the closet which people refuse to acknowledge.
    Seriously, people would think we were only the young. Only 2 others were Ace besides myself Both female and under 18 by some margin. 
    VibrantGlue
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    I just don't feel like part of the LGBT community. I really think the idea that asexuals have any sort of discrimination etc is a myth, also LGBT is all about sexuality, something I don't have <grin>. 

    The fact that the whole thing is politicised doesn't surprise me at all.  Seems to be all the rage these days. If you have any thing different from the norm, then the assumption is that we all MUST have the same political, and social thoughts. The fact this is not true pushes everyone out apart from those that have those thoughts, and the whole thing becomes self perpetuating. 
    cavalier080854
  • cavalier080854
    cavalier080854
    Posts: 2,175
    I have never felt part of the LGBT scene. Though I was asked to go in 1982, and after about an hour asked to leave (too normal).  The political aspect then was very much lacking. This time was more a case of curiosity, identity politics were there, pronouns very much in evidence, something which I said I oppossed, you can guess the response (that attitude is obsolete, and has to go). Love the tollerance, acceptance, diversity and inclusion, except in thought, left ideology or nothing.
    Sexual orientation has no political slant. You can be gay, lesbian, trans etc and be all sides of the political spectrum.
  • Roardova
    Roardova
    Posts: 35
    Cavalier, you're awesome.  People who live in the past, even those that didn't witness it; will be bitter.  There's a lot of people that can't let bye gones stay gone & they ruin celebrations for everyone.  When I go to Charlotte Pride this year, hopefully my job doesn't get in the way; I will be able to enjoy it with my husband.  He could have teal or pink hair; my beard will be rainbow again.  Life will be splendid as long as we stay away from protestors & people engaging on rights.  We fight for rights through out the year, pride is a celebration of our existence & acknowledging that we still love each other.
    LordGrepcavalier080854
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    I feel that asexuals are the opposite of sexuals. So going to pride is a bit like atheists going to a "Faith" rally. 

    I am not saying that I have anything against the pride scene, I don't not at all... I do though feel a sense of guilt, and feel uneasy about riding the coat tails of people who genuinely have been, and still are persecuted for their sexuality. The only difficulties that asexuals face is people not believing that we are what we are. But what am I proud about? Nothing really. 
    Roardova
  • Roardova
    Roardova
    Posts: 35
    I'm more proud of my imagination reels than anything else, I'm not even proud of my sexuality cause it doesn't define anything of my worth.  lol

    The more people at pride to welcome to damaged, the better.  I don't necessarily care about the sex stuff; even though I live for #HotIsLife moments; I would never go to a high sexuality pride.  Like infamous San Francisco prides.  I can barely stand it when guys have their shirts off for jogs; no way I'll go to San Francisco, even to visit.  lol
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    Hehehe.. I always joke that an asexual float would just be a lorry. 
  • Roardova
    Roardova
    Posts: 35
    LordGrep said:
    Hehehe.. I always joke that an asexual float would just be a lorry. 
    A lorry?
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
  • cavalier080854
    cavalier080854
    Posts: 2,175
    Yesterdays London Pride event was blocked by the Political Lesbians, who protested about Trans Women invading womens spaces.
    So much for the feminist ideology of inclusiveness and diversity. TERFs strike again.
    One was heard to shout "A man who Identifies as a Lesbian is a Rapist".
    I want Riley J Dennis' comment on this. He identifies as a lesbian who prefers women than men, and even has a bi-sexual woman as a girlfriend. Still looks the same as he always has done despite saying he has been transititioning for over a year. Even Blaire White appologised for mocking Riley after hearing that.
    I didn't see the protest on TV about this protest, but the Pride march was. But then again I have only seen 1 news clip so far.
    Pride events are becoming increasingly Political rather than a celebration.
  • Trailblazer
    Trailblazer
    Posts: 11
    I think pride has been hijacked by the big money. I saw some film and it was just big companies like citibank and television corporations. as usual, the people get squeezed out. i'm not sure the LGBT community gets us anyway.
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