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Why So Savage?

MaybIBelongSomewhere
MaybIBelongSomewhere
Any idea why the moment someone has opposing views majority of people lose their shit and stop attempting to be civil?

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  • MaybIBelongSomewhere
    MaybIBelongSomewhere
    Posts: 450 edited June 3
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  • MaybIBelongSomewhere
    MaybIBelongSomewhere
    Posts: 450
    @MaybIBelongSomewhere I think you need Jesus
  • MaybIBelongSomewhere
    MaybIBelongSomewhere
    Posts: 450
    @MaybIBelongSomewhere I think you need Jesus
    I’m trying very hard to find my way back to him for I have strayed badly
    ????
  • cavalier080854
    cavalier080854
    Posts: 2,175
    Jesus is dead if you are an atheist. Which you said you are.
    So are you rediscovering religion ?
  • MaybIBelongSomewhere
    MaybIBelongSomewhere
    Posts: 450 edited June 3
     0.o


  • Roardova
    Roardova
    Posts: 35
    It's an amazing phenomenon.

    I love trolling random people by just typing, no; your view is flawed.  Because youtubbery is absolutely entertaining.  Especially in the battle rap community & black community.  But even when I respectfully say something is not good; they still go bananies.  It all stems from the word pride.  Especially in America, people are so proud of their own mind; they won't allow anyone to challenge it.  I will occasionally get people that say something negative about the top ten videos on my youtube, if that person doesn't explain why they feel that way; I will simply ask them.  If we go back & forth; eventually, they will start getting upset about my freedom of speech.  There's only been a few people, online; that have not lost their shit in a disagreement.  A lot of people behave as if they need constant validation as well.  I'm not sure where their trauma to feel right comes from, but it's unfortunate that I can't just treat their noggins like punching bags.
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    OH @Roardova you little scamp you!!! J00 31337 7r011 j00!!! 
  • dea
    dea
    Posts: 13
    I think because our views are so ingrained in our own morals. For many people, it's very difficult for someone to know another person has an opposing opinion and still think them a good person. If you look at the extreme polarizing topics, such as abortion or 2nd amendment rights in America, there's not really a "middle ground" for those at the poles of the argument. Either you're taking away my autonomy and fuck you for doing that, or you're killing a baby and fuck you for doing that.
    LordGrepToffington
  • cavalier080854
    cavalier080854
    Posts: 2,175 edited June 27
    @dea I support abortion, I did in the 60s, I will stand beside feminists and oppose Pro-life abolitionists, this option must still be kept as a back stop for when things go wrong.
    But I will oppose feminists with  the late term abortion, don't be a shitty person. You had your chance with contraception, morning after pill and abortion in the beginning. After that the feotus is not a random bunch of cells. Viability is what changes the game
    Get the contraception right and the question of abortion goes away, only the moral delema of either the babies life or the mother, or rape really enters the fray (something which is used to justify LTA)
    *sigh* So much for progress, I have a penis and could speak then, but not now. But the feotus took 2 to create, so yes, the man still has a say, but ultimately the woman has the final say.
    Nothing has really changed since the 60s in my view, that was my position then as a 14 yo, only better contraception and the morning after pill has entered the fray. And those have changed nothing, except people are still stupid and get careless.
    On the question of viability, I'm against the Utah ruling of viability at a heartbeat (6weeks), a lot of women are unaware they are pregnant at 6 weeks.
  • dea
    dea
    Posts: 13
    I find abortion to be a multipronged discussion at this point, mainly in regards to whether or not a man whose sperm created the thing has a say. I believe that if he says to the woman "We used all viable protection and you still ended up preggo but I want nothing to do with this kid" he should be allowed to legally walk away from all responsibility, including financial. The problem with this is proving what kinds of protection were used. I'm 100% positive he didn't save the used condom. So now it's he said she said, and now we're in the territory of where men are with sex and consent: recording statements of "If you fall preggo, I don't want the kid" or something along those lines before you screw her. Which, lets be honest, kills any kind of mood there was.
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    I really don't think that it is viable what so ever for the use of contraception to be a factor. It's a nice idea but in all practicality it is just unworkable. People lie, and it is usually when the chips are down that people are prepared to lie the most. I really think that if you have sex with someone you BOTH take the risk of pregnancy. It is not as though people don't know what they are doing.

    I think women should have the choice if they do or don't carry a baby. I think a man should face a choice within a reasonable period (days) after pregnancy  is known "Do you want responsibility for the child"? If they say "Yes I want it, and I will be responsible" that gives the woman some security, it is then up to the woman if she wants to carry on. IF the man says "No", or was never asked, then in my mind the man should have no responsibility there after. 

    There is just no way that the choice of contraception should matter, not only that, but in many relationships, a majority, the contraception is the women's responsibility, by choice. You can';t blame a man if a women is negligent deliberately or otherwise. 
  • Impish
    Impish
    Posts: 49
    If a man does his due diligence and wraps his cock before sticking it in, he's done what he can (other than a vasectomy which I encourage any man to do if he doesn't want spawn). If he relies on the woman who says "Yeah I'm on the pill/shot/iud/whatever" and doesn't wrap it, that's on him.
    cavalier080854
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    @Impish I agree for one night stands, but for long term relationships there is an expectation of trust between partners. Are you really suggesting that a man says to his partner "Sorry dear I just don't trust you, so I will wear a condom thanks all the same"?
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    What I said above though doesn't change the fact that @dea pointed out that it is just impossible to be able to prove they used contraception. I mean even if they turned up a court with a used condom, how do you prove that it was used at the moment of conception? One would have to video every sexual session, showing the condom being used, and removed properly, and the condoms would have to be saved in an evidential fashion. That is not something I can see as a reasonable way to conduct a relationship.  
  • Impish
    Impish
    Posts: 49
    LordGrep said:
    @Impish I agree for one night stands, but for long term relationships there is an expectation of trust between partners. Are you really suggesting that a man says to his partner "Sorry dear I just don't trust you, so I will wear a condom thanks all the same"?
    I expect them to have an honest conversation about whether or not they want kids, and if the end result of that conversation is "no" then I expect him to say "It's easier for me to get a vasectomy than it is for you to get your tubes tied, so why don't I go ahead and schedule that?".
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686 edited June 27
    Impish said:
    LordGrep said:
    @Impish I agree for one night stands, but for long term relationships there is an expectation of trust between partners. Are you really suggesting that a man says to his partner "Sorry dear I just don't trust you, so I will wear a condom thanks all the same"?
    I expect them to have an honest conversation about whether or not they want kids, and if the end result of that conversation is "no" then I expect him to say "It's easier for me to get a vasectomy than it is for you to get your tubes tied, so why don't I go ahead and schedule that?".
    But most people want contraception NOT an end to the possibility of reproduction. When long term contraception is required then it's up to the couple who gets sterilised. I am not going to tell other people what they should do with their bodies. 

  • Impish
    Impish
    Posts: 49
    LordGrep said:
    Impish said:
    LordGrep said:
    @Impish I agree for one night stands, but for long term relationships there is an expectation of trust between partners. Are you really suggesting that a man says to his partner "Sorry dear I just don't trust you, so I will wear a condom thanks all the same"?
    I expect them to have an honest conversation about whether or not they want kids, and if the end result of that conversation is "no" then I expect him to say "It's easier for me to get a vasectomy than it is for you to get your tubes tied, so why don't I go ahead and schedule that?".
    But most people want contraception NOT an end to the possibility of reproduction. When long term contraception is required then it's up to the couple who gets sterilised. I am not going to tell other people what they should do with their bodies. 

    I get that. I have really strong views on kids and having them etc. and I'm definitely in the minority.
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    I have to say that I was really surprised to learn that there are more sterilisation operations than there are vasectomies. I really thought it was way more common for men to get the snip. 

    Personally I would be happy to get the snip, and it does seem that it is safer and more effective for men to get sterilised. But I won't say that men -should- be the party that has an operation. That's an individual decision, and not my place to judge. 
  • dea
    dea
    Posts: 13
    LordGrep said:
    But I won't say that men -should- be the party that has an operation. That's an individual decision, and not my place to judge. 
    You say that because you haven't tried to get sterilized as a woman :P Many women are told "You don't have kids? You're not married? Well I don't think tying your tubes is a good idea because what if your future husband wants kids?" I was lucky with my hysterectomy that I wasn't questioned as to why I wanted it or made to jump through hoops/doctor jump to get it.
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    dea said:
    LordGrep said:
    But I won't say that men -should- be the party that has an operation. That's an individual decision, and not my place to judge. 
    You say that because you haven't tried to get sterilized as a woman :P Many women are told "You don't have kids? You're not married? Well I don't think tying your tubes is a good idea because what if your future husband wants kids?" I was lucky with my hysterectomy that I wasn't questioned as to why I wanted it or made to jump through hoops/doctor jump to get it.
    No... I say this because I have absolutely no right what so ever to tell another human being what they should and shouldn't do with their bodies. I think EVERYONE who is an adult should be able to choose what happens to their bodies. Do I think that sterilisation (to either gender) should be available for free on a whim? No. That is different. I think it is only right that one is damn sure about such a decision especially if you insist that the medical service is expected reverse a sterilisation if requested to do so. Doctors are against doing harm, and just willy nilly handing out operations is not good. And of cause I haven't tried to get sterilised as a woman, because I am a non sexually active man. 

    I have been married though, twice. I have a kid. And I WOULD happily have gotten the snip as I really dislike what the pill does long term, and I would do anything to protect my partner, and family. The idea that a man would not go through a tiny bit of discomfort in order to have an active sex life without the spawning of progeny is silly. That said I am really not sure at all why there are more female sterilisations than vasectomies. I am actually trying to answer that question at the moment. I am doing ma reee-search. I am baffled by this. I am having trouble getting an answer though. 

    If you had a good experience then what's the issue? (when I say good experience, I mean you came up against no barriers not that the operation was a fun ride) My mother had an hysterectomy as she had all sorts of "women's issues", though this was 15 years AFTER my dad had his little snippy snip snip. 

    What you do with your body is down to you, and what couples decide to do together is down to them. I am not sure what is wrong with this view point, or what I am missing here.
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    Here is an interesting study: https://obgyn.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1471-0528.2003.02450.x

    Another one here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2920844

    Actually finding numbers of each method per country is really hard to find, but I have seen many none cited figures that -seem- to suggest that in the UK there are more male snips, than women, and in the USA the other way round. but getting data is difficult. 
  • Toffington
    Toffington
    Posts: 742
    Pro-choice harms minorities far more than any other race, as they are more likely to get an abortion. The procedure itself is also very damaging to the woman. Causing sterility and hormonal/trauma induced insanity.
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    Pro choice doesn't harm anyone. Abortions carry risks, as does drinking and smoking... 

    The debate really should be about the "right to life" I think moving away from that point is just not very honest, as it really is the reason that some people are pro choice, or pro life...

    I find it amazing though that those that are pro life at the same who want guns, and the death penalty.. 

    We will fight to bring you into the world, but do all we can to extricate your exit. 
  • Toffington
    Toffington
    Posts: 742
    LordGrep said:
    Pro choice doesn't harm anyone. Abortions carry risks, as does drinking and smoking... 

    The debate really should be about the "right to life" I think moving away from that point is just not very honest, as it really is the reason that some people are pro choice, or pro life...

    I find it amazing though that those that are pro life at the same who want guns, and the death penalty.. 

    We will fight to bring you into the world, but do all we can to extricate your exit. 
    Gun ownership isn't in contradiction to Pro-choice. As its the bad guys who are killing people, not the good guys. It is the price to pay, for safety that exceeds government standards. It is very obvious that fascism and communism/socialism set in very quickly after you take away gun ownership. Id literally fight a war to protect that right. 

    I support the death penalty because it is more costly for the tax payer, and I really don't feel like paying for murderers and rapists to live for the rest of their life in somewhat decent conditions. 
  • Gloomy
    Gloomy
    Posts: 262
    I’m pro-death. I’m pro-choice, pro-gun, pro-death penalty, pro-assisted suicide, and I eat meat and kill bugs. :P
    Toffingtoncavalier080854LordGrep
  • Toffington
    Toffington
    Posts: 742
    Gloomy said:
    I’m pro-death. I’m pro-choice, pro-gun, pro-death penalty, pro-assisted suicide, and I eat meat and kill bugs. :P
    Are you pro Darwinism too? :P
    Gloomy
  • Gloomy
    Gloomy
    Posts: 262
    Gloomy said:
    I’m pro-death. I’m pro-choice, pro-gun, pro-death penalty, pro-assisted suicide, and I eat meat and kill bugs. :P
    Are you pro Darwinism too? :P
    Oh yeah that too
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