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Are there really less [Fewer] Asexual males?

Kazka
Kazka
Upon brief google searching & previous experience, I've seen the common notion, or question that men are less likely to be asexual, given the population on 'certain sites' you may think that was the case.

Upon looking into this, I found a study / survey > here < that found that in 12,571 Americans (7,643 women and 4,928 men) '.9%' of men and '.6%' percent of women where ace, or at least answered with the  'asexual' response in all 3 questions. and that would equate to 60% of the 'asexuals' being men, and 40% of the 'asexuals' being female. In this study, participants where asked 3 questions, and did not explicitly identify as asexual.

While [Site Expunged]'s 2015 census data showed that the asexual demographic of the site was 56.8% female, and 12.3% male (with 30.9% apparently not having a dick or a vag) which boils down to 82.2% female and 17.8% male. which is a huge discrepancy.

A third source doesn't help quell any questions either. in > this  < one, about 11,000 people took an online questionnaire and of the 11,000 people only 52 identified as asexual, with 32% of the asexuals being male, and presumably 68% female. This puts it right in the middle of our 2 other sources

So shortened
60%m    40%f not explicitly asexual
17.8%m 82.2%f Asexuality website poll
32%m    68%f self identified aces in an online questionnaire

large discrepancies in the 3 sources.




So this brings my questions.

Are there more asexual men than women?

Are men more asexual on average, but less inclined to identify as ace?
Anecdotally, and stereotypically, this doesn't seem to be the case, but given the first study's results based not on self identification this would make sense, could that be possible?

Because of the small percentage of asexuals in the population, would only 12k random participants be enough to yield accurate asexual results?

Why does this info graphic exist?

And why is it so stupid? I mean these are fucking sex symbols, why did someone think it was ok to use them both natively and turn them into sexuality symbols? Why are there 2 for hetero, gay, trans, & bi, why only 1 for ace, m, & f? Why are they not in any proper order? Why the fuck is transgender there? THATS NOT A SEX, GENDER, OR SEXUALITY; YOU CANT IDENTIFY AS TRANSGENDER! WHY AM I SO FUCKING MAD?!?! 

Why such a large difference in the polling data if not because sample size?

Are men less likely to share asexuality in an online forum poll?

Does [Cite Expunged] scare men away?

Did you have any other thoughts on the matter?






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Comments

  • Toffington
    Toffington
    Posts: 742
    I did a poll on AVEN, and got a similar result. Another issue is how many are men, identifying as women etc? So the only real way to do, is ask for their actual sex. But then, how many of them will lie. You cannot collect accurate data because identity politics. 

    Also, women are more prone to obsessed about identity shit. Which is another reason they can be the dominate gender. Its the same reason why mostly women like astrology, and psychic shit. 
    Kazka
  • Kazka
    Kazka
    Posts: 422
    Forgot to touch on that,
    'are women more likely to be interested in self identities, including asexuality?'
    'Does that show that the first random poll could be more accurate?'

  • Pramana
    Pramana
    Posts: 1,086
    The higher percentages of asexual spectrum females in online communities are mirrored by the higher percentages of sexual females in online communities, according to the 2014 and 2015 census data. I suspect more women like talking about feelings and relationships online.

    The limited amount of data from offline demographic surveys, however, also suggests a higher percentage of female asexuals. Some aspects of female sexuality make it more likely that women would be asexual, or at least perceive themselves as asexual (greater relative importance of circumstantial and environmental factors, receptive versus proceptive attraction/desire).
    KazkaToffingtonalpha_decayVibrantGlue
  • AussieAce
    AussieAce
    Posts: 642 edited January 20
    ive only ever met ace biological women. some trans men and nonbinary aces but never a biological male. i guess thats partly why its hard for me to think of ace men that dont have sex. 

    also i think there is more women in the US right like 51% 
  • Kazka
    Kazka
    Posts: 422
    I didn't mean like hard numbers, but proportions rather. when I initially thought of a topic, It was going to be about 'why are there less asexual men' but from what I found, it made me think.
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    Sorry I could not resist editing the title of the thread. 
    Kazka
  • cavalier080854
    cavalier080854
    Posts: 2,177
    On the meet-ups I have met a lot more men than women. But I put that down to women wanting to take that risk of a face-to-face meeting. I understand that on Pride events there are more female aces than males. Why is that ?
    On the sex symbols being used O for Asexuality, did you know that it was used by 27 Brigade in the Korean War and was nicknamed "The Frozen Arsehole".  :p
    With the upcoming census in America and the UK we should be able to get a more accurate picture for this subject.
    Kazka
  • PiF
    PiF
    Posts: 644
    The first census on aven in 2013 wasn't sullied with all that gender shit. In that it showed 75% of aven was females, I believe this is probably true

    It also showed that most of the respondents, depending what country you are in , were in university/college and of course that last level of education is predominantly full of females and by a substantial number

    So it's not that there are less male asexuals but, that there are more females claiming to be asexual
  • shit
    shit
    Posts: 174
    there are dozens of us 
    cavalier080854alpha_decay
  • Toffington
    Toffington
    Posts: 742
    I know several male asexuals, and many of them are on this site. But, the majority of aces I know, are female.
    cavalier080854alpha_decay
  • cavalier080854
    cavalier080854
    Posts: 2,177
    I want to know where all the Ace women are on AVEN meets, the men have always outnumbered the women.
    I put it down to shyness mixed with risk.
  • PiF
    PiF
    Posts: 644
    Kazka said:
    Forgot to touch on that,
    'are women more likely to be interested in self identities, including asexuality?'
    'Does that show that the first random poll could be more accurate?'

    Fair point I think, most men, just like fashion, don't give a fuck. It does seem as though most of those stressing about their gender identity seem to be female and I'm not sure if this is relevent but more females are likely to have tried or thought about same sex sex than men and by some difference as well.
    Kazka
  • deltaX
    deltaX
    Posts: 135
    I want to know where all the Ace women are on AVEN meets, the men have always outnumbered the women.
    I put it down to shyness mixed with risk.
    I find that interesting, because the ace meetups in my area are mostly women.  There are only a few guys who attend meetups here. I wonder why it would be so different for different cities?
  • cavalier080854
    cavalier080854
    Posts: 2,177
    @deltaX I'm from the UK in the north and well away from the capitol. Even the local uni does not have a dedicated LGBT scene. Pride marches are a very rescent thing. I have no idea what it is like in the more populated south ace scene.
  • deltaX
    deltaX
    Posts: 135
    I'm in the Eastern US, and there's definitely an LGBT scene here.  The university I'm attending for grad school has such a big LGBT center that they even have an ace group.  I've never been to their ace group there though, because I find other meetups more interesting, and can only talk about asexuality so often before it becomes boring. 

    I wonder if the general availability of an LGBT scene in a city has anything to do with the gender makeup of ace meetups though.  It's interesting; I thought all ace meetups were majority women.  I think it'd be cool to have more ace guys around to hear their perspective. 
  • PiF
    PiF
    Posts: 644
    I wonder if with such a large young, female, third and fourth wave feminism membership,  whether aven puts off many male asexuals so the numbers have remained to low for males for quite some time?
  • Roardova
    Roardova
    Posts: 35
    The best question is, why are you so fucking mad?
    You have to remember, the main validating factor in your life is you.  You choose to get offended at other people not acknowledging you as well as them not acknowledging themselves.  I do find those symbols shitty because of the duplicity but I wouldn't be mad with a circle especially with Nelly Furtado having a song titled "Circles" & I love singing it.  Digressing like I really don't care, but in all seriousness; your world is created by you, not others.
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    I have said this before, and I guess I will be saying it many more times.

    The problem is that women's sexual desires peak much much later than men (in general) this is something that is overlooked so often, and ignored, and in the case of many people it is (in my opinion) deliberately overlooked. 

    In general men peak in desire at about 18 years old where as women peak at 30+ years. This means that when women compare their own desires against that of their boyfriends for example, they feel that they are lacking. 

    It is utterly natural for women not to desire sex for sex's sake up until their late 20s, this is something that is glaringly obvious in the statistics. The number of women under the age of 24 on AVEN far outnumbers that of men, and all the studies I have ever seen show the same result. 

    I have long campaigned to AVEN to inform people of this, as I feel it is detrimental for women not to be informed, and box themselves into the identity of asexuality. Preaching that *real* asexuality is for life is in my mind dishonest, and unhelpful. Sure there are people who are asexual for life, but for many this is not the case, and holding on to the idea that they will never be a sexual being could, and I am sure has been detrimental to being in a healthy relationship.

    What do I think AVEN should say? The truth, that studies show that it is perfectly normal for young women not to have a desire for sex, and many people grow to desire sex, and it's fine. I would never say to a younger woman that "You are not asexual", as no one can tell the future. I would though offer them advice on not using the label of asexuality as a prescription, and be utterly happy to change, also I think the community should support those that gain sexuality, there should be no barriers intended or otherwise for people to change.



    VibrantGlue
  • deltaX
    deltaX
    Posts: 135
    I think that being open to changing labels is important for literally everyone, not just young female asexuals.  It really bugs me when people care so much about their label that it becomes something that's impossible to let go of.  Partly because it becomes annoying if someone turns a label into their who personality, but also because labels can change over time, and it's not helpful to desperately cling to how you used to feel if things change.
    LordGrepGloomy
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    deltaX said:
    I think that being open to changing labels is important for literally everyone, not just young female asexuals.  It really bugs me when people care so much about their label that it becomes something that's impossible to let go of.  Partly because it becomes annoying if someone turns a label into their who personality, but also because labels can change over time, and it's not helpful to desperately cling to how you used to feel if things change.
    Perfect ^
  • Tercy
    Tercy
    Posts: 47 edited June 26
    I don't know if this is the right place to flag this up, but I've always been curious about what seems to be the disproportionately higher percentage of women in ace communities who identify as homoromantic and/or bi. I don't have any hard data on this, but in the past I did a casual study of Acebook members and the result was something crazy like 51% homoromantic, 48% bi, 1% hetero. (I've made a similar observation when just browsing AVEN also, but I appreciate that isn't science)

    Maybe there's some crossover between the two. The infamous "college lesbian phase" is perhaps a bit of a tactless and offensive term, but we've all lived on Earth and we all know there's some truth to it - and maybe e.g. women no longer just say "I'm a lesbian" to be so original and liberated and piss their parents off and such, but instead/also include asexuality - or perhaps with the increasing awareness of asexuality as a thing, women who force themselves to be with women for the aforementioned rebellious reasons, use asexuality as their excuse/explanation for why they're not sexually attracted to the people that they're just pretending to be interested in in the first place. I'm just thinking out loud here.
  • LordGrep
    LordGrep
    Posts: 2,686
    There is a simple explanation for the apparently higher representation of "trans" folk among asexuals though I have started to go off this theory as I am not convinced that many people who identify as trans, are, or have actually transitioned. Now please all yee of gentle ears, and those who like to comb this site looking for excuses to call anyone who enters our doors "Trans phobic" It simply isn't true. I might not be trans-agreeable (by that I mean that those who identify as "trans" seem to dislike me) I cannot help how others feel about me, but I hold no emotions either for or against differently gendered folk. (shit that was a long preable.. Fuck I am making it longer commenting on it. Oh fuck, see what I have done, I have gotten in a circle now.. How do I stop <lifts the needle> POP.. <crackle>.) any way as I was saying... 

    I had the theory that the large proportion of "trans" folk was down to the fact that at the start of transitioning from one gender to another various hormones, and hormone suppressants are given. The exact same drugs are used to "Chemically castrate" someone. They utterly destroy every last thought of libido you have.. Now I know people say "Libido is not sexual desire", but I know from experience if you have no libido, you defo don't have and desire. 

    However I have no idea how many people are transitioning one way or another, and how many are [is there a word for it?] pre pre transition IE who have just thought about being another gender, and how many are all the way swippity swapped. 

    (sorry if I got any of my ligo wrong or anything. I am sure I will find out in 6 months when someone declasses it on AVEN. 
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